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Posted: 18 January 2010 05:42 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Hi there,

I think this is an interesting question - can NLP help in curing snoring and/or sleep apnoea?

Anyone had any experience with this? suggestions to use?

Thanks

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Posted: 19 January 2010 12:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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How about doing a New Code game before bed time? Never know until you try. I would gladly volunteer to try but I’m not a reliable snorer! I know of a case where doing a New Code game at night helped with insomnia so see no reason why not to try it with snoring.

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Posted: 20 January 2010 04:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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There are different causes for snoring, and for some snoring cases, just sleeping on one’s side solves the problem. For others, particularly life-threatening ones involving sleep apneas (prolonged breathing and/or heart stoppage), a cpap machine or surgery is closer to the solution. There’s plenty of research, different efforts, from what I’ve read, sleeping on one’s side is the healthiest type of sleep to start, but obviously it is unhealthy to do on cement. Having your jaw held shut can stop snoring, or it can kill you, but there’s a product for sale that locks up a person’s jaw while they sleep.

as far as New Code games, how about some simple hypnosis to sleep on one’s side? Better, how about a pillow and mattress that improve sleep posture or are designed specifically for side-sleepers?

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Posted: 22 January 2010 02:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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The sad fact is that there has been research in many area’s as to why different problems occur and what we can do to cure it. The only real cure for hay fever stated by doctors is a 2 year course using desensitising injections, during which time you will be plagued with the symptoms. Yet NLP has found a way to cure hay fever in a half an hour session, I took away all symptoms of a friend of mine’s hay fever with a New Code Game, easy as that. My philosophy is, you don’t know what will happen until you try. I am still trying to find the limits of New Code games and I would urge you to give it a go, explore and do something new! smile

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Posted: 23 January 2010 04:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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I agree with Dave. When I work with clients who have health issues, they have been hypnotised by their doctors about their condition. My job is to break the suggestions and create healing frames.

I would say try everything, New Code NLP, Classic NLP,  Hypnosis and lifestyle changes in this case NJs suggestion of new pillow and matress

The Doctor with Pattern comes to mind here as well.

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Michael

[ Edited: 24 January 2010 01:32 AM by Michael Carroll ]
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Posted: 23 January 2010 11:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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ANYONE READING THIS THINKING OF SURGERY FOR SNORING: Visit emptynosesyndrome.org, sleepquest.com, sleepnet.com, read “The Sinus Cure” by Grossan and “The Promise of Sleep” by Dement before you put yourself under a knife or laser to treat snoring, sleep apnea or nasal obstruction. Learn what a wholistic MD has to offer, and keep an open mind about dental appliances, and devices such as Grossan’s hydropulse and the Acapella.

OK. So.,

In response to Dave, the “sad fact” here is that you can’t don’t know what the medical community has to offer by talking to just one doctor. One doctor means one opinion, and depending on the doctor’s education, perhaps only one lousy suggestion of a valid treatment. However, in the case of Dave’s example of exposure therapy, Doctors (md’s) who use homeopathic methods offer, at least in the US, a type of exposure therapy that relies on air-based exposure, not needles, and the therapy takes weeks, not years. I actually read that in the paper here recently, I’m trying to track down the article.

Also, many MD’s are wholistic practitioners, so they consider adjunct treatments such as hypnosis, biofeedback, homeopathy, lifestyle change (such as losing weight or changing sleep position) to be potentially helpful, and even recommend such treatments to their patients. The advantage of getting a doctor’s diagnosis, particularly a well-chosen specialist’s diagnosis, is that the specialist can check for different causes of snoring (for example, a swollen soft palate versus nasal obstruction), and tailor their treatment recommendations to it. The same information can help those offering adjunct treatment (for example, New Code practitioners asked to treat snoring who actually need to treat evening drinking) as well.

Unfortunately, careful selection of a doctor matters a great deal.  The patient ends up setting a course by their own research or with second or third doctor’s opinions. Buying doctor’s books, visiting forums such as sleepnet to hear from people who tried medical treatments or know of alternatives, those approaches are better than the alternative.

Consider what happens to someone who is diagnosed with nasal obstruction and refered to an ENT for surgery. The ENT may remove the patient’s turbidites, leaving them with a side-effect that is utterly debilitating, namely, empty nose syndrome. Thereafter, the patient will suffer a constant sensation of air hunger, gasping for breath, 24x7, forever. Well, actually, there is hope (check emptynosesyndrome.org and other resources). Empty nose syndrome can start up to 5 years after a turbinectomy, and sufferers are labeled psychosomatic by many US ENT’s, but some M.D’s are aware that the syndrome is real. Obviously, knowing who those MD’s are (e.g., Dr. Steven Houser at Mayo Clinic), learning about alternative treatments and tidbits like nasal cilia (e.g., google acapella, Grossan’s hydropulse, isotonic solutions, nasal cilia) and doing your own research could save you from an underreported side effect of a frequently recommended surgery. A good example from the soft palette side is available on sleepnet.

Eleanor Criswell, a long-time researcher in the US biofeedback community, wrote an interesting book called “Biofeedback and Somatics”. It contains technical sections on biofeedback technology and its applications, but it also contains elements of Thomas Hanna’s red light, green light model (“red light”, “green light” refer to somatic states rather than a biofeedback machine) and even classical NLP or Ericksonian hypnosis. Criswell distinguishes biofeedback clinical research from biofeedback therapy practice. She suggests that biofeedback therapy be employed with unconditional positive regard for the patient, careful use of language, and awareness of one’s self as your patient’s model of successful treatment. In contrast, she suggests that biofeedback research be conducted with careful recording, without adjunct therapies, and without overriding concern for your patient’s treatment outcome.

Her distinction applies to New Code therapy situations that give the New Code therapist opportunity to guide her client’s treatment options. Of course you’re not supposed to do that, at least not officially, but if you do, consider what wholistic MD’s might have to offer to help you help your client. And if I could offer one last suggestion: NLP New Code practitioners place their client’s well-being above their own research interests.

[ Edited: 24 January 2010 12:21 AM by njsc ]
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Posted: 24 January 2010 12:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Hey njsc,

Thanks for your input of these specifics. I think you have missed the main thrust of my post, which was that state can have a much greater effect than it sometimes seems possible.

One of the main points in your post is that there are many causes and alternative ‘cures’ for both hay fever and snoring and that doctors are often thinking on a broader scale than I have given them credit for in my example.

...Doctors (md’s) who use homeopathic methods offer, at least in the US, a type of exposure therapy that relies on air-based exposure, not needles, and the therapy takes weeks, not years.

I am not having a go at doctors in my post and I will admit that I can not speak for every Doctor, Spiritual practitioner etc in the world when I made my example. But to the general public in the UK this is all that there is on offer through the NHS. Also the original question was

...can NLP help in curing snoring and/or sleep apnoea?

. My reply gave a direct response to the question asked and I think your point here was aimed at my example not at my suggestion.

The other point that I took particular note of is your comment at the end.

And if I could offer one last suggestion: NLP New Code practitioners place their client’s well-being above their own research interests.

Firstly there has been no mention of using this on clients until your posts, in my original post I referenced using it on myself. In fact a lot of my New Code research has been conducted on myself. In any case all you are doing with New Code games is manipulating state, we go to bed at night in many different states (or at least I do). If I’ve just come home from rock climbing and go straight to bed I will be in a very different state to if I had been reading for the last few hours. What I am saying is that change of state is a natural occurrence, so with doing a New Code game we are not lopping out part of someones head, or injecting people with chemicals but seeing what effect a natural state change has on our experience (or in this case our partners experience lol).

The fact is njsc, you nor I can say with 100% certainty what will happen with applying New Code to snoring until one of us tries it out, which I would be more than happy to do if I was a reliable snorer. Likewise neither of us can say that all the treatments in your post will work for 100% of people and 100% of the time. I am here to explore new possibilities, not to rely on what research others have done before us, I don’t want to drink from the well my whole life, I want to add to it too. This has always been the frame on my posts.

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Posted: 24 January 2010 08:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Oh, states, yeah. Yeah, if I had a woman in my bed at night, I would test my new code prowess on her, but since I sleep alone, the only impacts snoring has on my health are poor sleep, lack of sexual vigor, and depression. A tool like Zeo (myzeo.com) might help me with experiments on myself, for example, rocking on Belgau’s board right before falling in bed. Of course, I wouldn’t want to sleep then, necessarily, but who knows what I might discover, you’re saying, like maybe a hard on, for example.

Well, so far, it’s nasal cleaning, regular bedtimes, sleeping on my side, special pillows, an air purifier, supplements, regular exercise, a clean diet, and on and on. Eventually the cpap machine could make it into my life, it’s a matter of money, maybe later this year I will go for it. A good cpap machine should deliver moist clean air, so a more expensive model with a filter and humidifier attached will make me one happy Darth Vader at night and one angry jedi in the morning, ready for action with his light saber all lit up, oh yeah. Actually, just a good night’s sleep is something I treasure, and I can rarely do it, snoring or not, with a stuffy nose.

As far as the self-experiments, zeo, biofeedback machines to test post-game states, all that stuff seems really nifty-keen, but a grounded and balanced approach should at least start with a confident, assertive, and critical exploration inside the world of doctor’s opinions. It is a pretty schitzophrenic place, sure, but it is also where the facts are sometimes made clear, things like losing weight, eating well, spending money on one’s wellness, managing stress more responsibly, you might be surprised how much self-experimentation hides from view, certainly all the demands the good doctor might place on you. Ouch, ouch.

If you ever do develop a snoring problem, Dave, don’t waste a lot of time “self-experimenting” if it doesn’t work right off the bat. It might be new to you, but it is a familiar frame for me.

edit: Dave, there’s a related tool that might interest you, it’s called the powerlung. It’s similar to the acapella except without the cilia-stimulating vibration. Instead, it simply strengthens breathing muscles, excellent for aerobic capacity or singing strength. Though you don’t have a snoring problem, since you are an athlete, the powerlung would probably be more your speed, perhaps the trainer or athlete models. Both have demonstrated effectiveness in clinical studies, neat, huh?

[ Edited: 25 January 2010 02:04 AM by njsc ]
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Posted: 14 July 2010 10:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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You have clearly said about the product which helps relieving from snoring.
Well I was suffering from snoring too and I tried out asonor product. From my personal experience I do personally recommend asonor which helps us relieve from snoring.
For more details refer the website http://www.asonor.com

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