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njsc,
Extremely efficient post. No doubts, which is rare in my case. Thank you
Dymitr

Hi - I went a-wandering again

Michael - it was good to catch up. I was meaning a bit of both. Keeping my options open again, haha!

Dymitr:

I thought it might be interesting to find an equivalence for the spots on the floor or to exclude the possibility of such.

I’m interested to know if you tried this and what you discovered if you did… I haven’t yet checked out the post you mention, which I will do now…

I am curious what was the argument, the reasoning of the friend of yours who suggested that you should have an intention

  Haha, I didn’t [consciously] ask, but definitely assimilated the suggestion and it seemed like a reasonable pointer. Which it was. I can sometime be either very much in the conscious-mind or very much in the unconscious-mind. I get a sense that my friend’s intention was to help me align the two. A little conscious intention and a lot of unconscious creativity. This has been interestingly re-inforced this weekend, having spent 4 days at Stephen Gilligan’s ‘generative trance’ workshop. It’s probably the biggest take-away for me.

As a further update to discoveries…

Since conducting the earlier experiments there have been occasions when I have noticed a ‘choice point’. Wherein, time ceases momentarily (I realise the irony in using a time-bound word as the descriptor here, hehe). Or does it slows down?? Nope I think it ceases for an instant. A brief moment where everything and nothing is.  Oh Jees, I’ve turned into a hippy…

So, thank you to everyone on this thread (and others) for contributing to these experiences.

x

Thank you
No, I haven’t tried avoiding spacial anchors on the floor yet - although my version of NCCF with visiting a “choice position” and going immediately into “context zone” from it right after the game had an intention of implanting the HPS into an act of choice and the resulting context together, whenever the subject even thinks about making some new adjustments in the future, without the necessity of playing the game again. For some reason I haven’t played this version of NCCF myself - I hoped for somebody more experienced doing it for me and reporting the results. And with Toby we arrived almost there…
By the way - would you like to try out this version of NCCF for me? You would have to ask somebody to lead you through it, though…
Could you do it for me? It would fulfill my original intention of joining this forum…
Dymitr

Hi Dymitr

I’m not especially experienced and, moreover, would hate to rob you of the experience yourself!! BUT I also like the idea of experimenting. So, I would need to be clearer on the exact steps and the intention AND to make a deal that you’d do it as well so that we could share findings. Maybe Jacquie (who recently posted in response your your HP state thread) could lead me through it when we get together in August.

You say that you and Toby almost got there - how so?

I’m on holiday so may go quiet for a little while. Nothing new there then…

x

You’d add to my experience Deal.
The steps are:
1.
Location 1, in which you imagine yourself in the context from the 3rd position.
2.
Location 1 and 2: you associate the image of yourself with a particular place around you, looking at it from Location 1, and you step into your image which is in the place you have chosen, ie into Location 2. You stay there for a blink of an eye or two.
3.
Location 3: you do someting else somewhere else
4.
Location 4: play the game
5.
Location 1 and 2: having achieved the top state you visit Location 1, go straight to Location 2 from there and stay however long you want

Toby led a friend of his through a slightly different variant of NCCF before he disappeared from this forum - the direct results were interesting if not enlightenining. Unfortunately, I haven’t got to know the real life effects.

My intention is to observe whether there would be any difference in effectiveness of the transformed NCCF and whether the change would anyhow affect the process of dealing with unrelated future contexts. Especially interesting is the situation as one starts imagining themselves ‘in’ from outside, from the 3rd position, after identifying those contexts.

I wish you a very nice holiday
Hugs

Dymitr

Suzy,
I owe you.
Thank to your request for the detailed description I’ve discovered the possibility of changing the order of locations in the step 5 above. You can actually divide it into two steps after the reversal. It means that after the classical version of NCCF, which ends in Location 2, the coach may ask the player to visit Location 1 again OR the player might want to visit that location themselves. It leaves actually the classical form of NCCF not distorted. I think I am going to try this addition out on myself today
Thanks Suzy
Dymitr